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Damned Runar! This will be a pretty complex model! Watch out the poly count!


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It seems that when entering the atmosphere there is only one ring, but after landing there is another one, like seen in many images and the above drawing.
I find it a bit minsterious, don't you?


I have found this:
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Here, it is referred to as an "aerodynamic stabilizer".

What has confused me is that it is present in some photographs, and not present in others. Also, in some schematic drawings, but not in others. I initially assumed it was a rig for working on the probe pre-launch, as it showed up in pics from the hangar, but not in photos of it fitted into the heat shield.

So, it now seems it is a part of the lander during in-flight. I think we must assume that all photos where it is not present is because it is dismounted while they are working on it - and the schematics we see where it is absent is because the artists has shared my confusion and omitted it because of the same misinterpretation i made... Of course it *might* have been jettisoned at contact with the ground, but that seems unecessary hazardous, does it not?

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ElChristou wrote:
Damned Runar! This will be a pretty complex model! Watch out the poly count!

Yes, I remember something very close to this... :wink:
Hee hee hee!
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I have found this. Here, it is referred to as an "aerodynamic stabilizer". So, it now seems it is a part of the lander during in-flight. I think we must assume that all photos where it is not present is because it is dismounted while they are working on it - and the schematics we see where it is absent is because the artists has shared my confusion and omitted it because of the same misinterpretation i made...

Very nice drawing.
Yes, I agree on both.

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Of course it *might* have been jettisoned at contact with the ground, but that seems unecessary hazardous, does it not?- rthorvald

IMHO there was no need to eliminate it, surely the instruments could work without problems by the stabilizer, so why to complicate things with useless additions of components (that can go OFF) and weight (that's never welcome, even by Russians!)?
I believe it lasted in position. 8)
Opinions?
BTW, do you like the new images? :P
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ElChristou wrote:
Damned Runar! This will be a pretty complex model! Watch out the poly count!

Yes, I remember something very close to this... :wink:


Exactly... And looking again the shots I must confess I'm a bit worried... :?


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Runar, more images and description of the instruments and their positions, here:
http://www.mentallandscape.com/V_Vega.htm
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ElChristou wrote:
And looking again the shots I must confess I'm a bit worried... :?


Chris:
Yes, i know it will be complex - so i will not go into the tiniest detail, i am only concerned with getting the overall shapes right (i.e, i cannot draw in the small nuts and bolts, only the objects themselves - apart from bigger features, of course). I am very aware about this...

Andrea:
Nice photos! The WRL models i know about from before (In fact, Jack Higgins originally made his Add-On from them), but unfortunately they are useless for our purposes. I have examined them, and they are both coarse and inaccurate.

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Chris, i spent a week drilling and optimizing those holes! But i am learning... :roll:
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Chris, i spent a week drilling and optimizing those holes!


:shock: Good job, but... ...from the last shots, the first raw of holes should not be bolts??


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CORRECTION TO THIS MESSAGE:
NO MORE PROBLEMS,
I found the solution, it was only a matter of wrong alphabet, sorry. :oops:
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Sorry, but I need help. :oops:
I tried all my known ways to translate some English word in Russian, as I did with the Buran project, but dunno why there is no Russian translation for "VEGA", except one I found, "BERA", that doesn't work. :cry:
Any Russian here that can help us to translate this word?
Thanks a lot.
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ElChristou wrote:
from the last shots, the first raw of holes should not be bolts??


I do not think so, it looks like holes - they shadow the same way the others do.
(That is not to say i am right... So input is appreciated! )

At this stage, with the shapes already in place, it is easy to correct - and in fact, if they should prove to be bolts, i can simplify the ring a lot...

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Sorry, but I need help. :oops:
I tried all my known ways to translate some English word in Russian, as I did with the Buran project, but dunno why there is no Russian translation for "VEGA", except one I found,


Vega is apparently an arabian word that translates to "falling" or "swooping", commonly "Swooping Eagle".

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Andrea wrote:
Sorry, but I need help. :oops:
I tried all my known ways to translate some English word in Russian, as I did with the Buran project, but dunno why there is no Russian translation for "VEGA", except one I found,

Vega is apparently an arabian word that translates to "falling" or "swooping", commonly "Swooping Eagle".- rthorvald

Thanks Runar, but I found the solution, please give a look at my previous message. :oops:
As first result of this, here another (Russian) image

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that confirms the deployement in the last descent phases of the aerodynamic stabilizer. :wink:
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ElChristou wrote:
from the last shots, the first raw of holes should not be bolts??


I do not think so, it looks like holes - they shadow the same way the others do.
(That is not to say i am right... So input is appreciated! )

Runar!!!! :evil: :wink:
You have all you need! Follow the logic and tell me if I'm wrong :wink: :

- A is a hole.
- if B was a hole it should be as dark as A
- B and C looks quite similar, no?
- B is a rivet (or bolt)

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...and in fact, if they should prove to be bolts, i can simplify the ring a lot...


It's presisely why I'm a bit worried!
Runar, I lost so much time on such situation than believe me, now, before beginning any mesh I must be sure of my choice. One of my secret is to model the next day what I believe to be sure. After a night, another quick peep into the docs and sometime with a fresh eye... :idea: Now if I see the same stuff, then ok to model...


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You have all you need! Follow the logic and tell me if I'm wrong Wink :

- A is a hole.
- if B was a hole it should be as dark as A
- B and C looks quite similar, no?
- B is a rivet (or bolt)


I see this, but to me it still seems like the entire ring is perforated, but that some of the holes are filled:
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Andrea, what do you think?

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