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Author:  ElChristou [ Sun, 02-09-07, 13:32 GMT ]
Post subject:  Apollo 11 mission reconstruction - Aborted

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As I had to quit the Celestia community this work is now discontinued.


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Welcome folks,


Because CM is growing and because of the opening of this brand new forum, this place will be the privileged one for me to post my work in the future .


Concerning the Apollo 11 mission, Andrea, Linuxman and I will continue our teamwork here... so to begin, find below a résumé of the models progress through the 2 threads @ Shatters:

http://shatters.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10686 and http://shatters.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11011

Author:  ElChristou [ Sun, 02-09-07, 14:30 GMT ]
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On Mon Jan 29, 2007:

Beginning of the CSM model and first test within Celestia:

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On Fri Feb 02, 2007

Docking system over!

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On Wed Mar 07, 2007

More test within celestia:

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On Tue Apr 03, 2007

Beginning of the LEM:

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On Thu Apr 19 and Sun Apr 22, 2007

Progress on the LM...

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And a test with basic textures whitin Celestia:

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On Tue Apr 24, 2007

More details on the Ascent Stage:

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On Wed Apr 25, 2007

Docking:

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On Fri Apr 27, 200

Test for a landing site (fake terrain):

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On Thu May 03, 2007

Just a multi view of the actual state of the AS (more details)...

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and beginning of test model for the 3rd stage:

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On Fri May 04, 2007

Test model ready:

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On Sun May 06, 2007

Beginning of the S-IVB engine:

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On Mon May 07, 2007

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On Tue May 08, 2007

Test Within Celestia:

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On Wed May 23, 2007

Flag...

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On Fri May 25, 2007

TV camera and Solar wind experiment...

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On Thu May 31, 2007

LRRRR:

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On Thu Aug 09, 2007

Beginning of the S-IVB detailed model:

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On Thu Aug 16, 2007 and Sat Aug 18, 2007

IU:

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On Mon Aug 20, 2007

Test Within Celestia:

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Author:  ElChristou [ Sun, 02-09-07, 14:37 GMT ]
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Reminder of the naming convention of the different elements of the Apollo mission:

CSM: Command and Service Module
CM: Command Module
SM: Service Module
LEM: Lunar Excursion Module
AS: Ascent Stage (of the LEM)
DS: Decent Stage (of the LEM)
SLA: Spacecraft-LEM-Adapter


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Reminder of the what we would like to see in this addon:

- Separation of CSM from 3rd stage of the Saturn V*,
- Opening of the SLA,
- 180° pitch of CSM,
- Extraction of LEM (the 3rd stage stay in orbit or burn in atmosphere?),
- Flight to moon orbit,
- Separation CSM/LEM,
- LEM touch down,
- Take of of the AS (the DS stay on ground),
- AS docking with CSM,
- Separation AS/CSM (the AS crash on the moon)
- CSM flight back to Earth,
- Separation CM/SM (the SM stay in orbit? crash into atmosphere?)
- CM reentry,
- Opening of parachutes for splashdown.
- Floating CM waiting for recovery.


* if we achieve the above, we may add the take of of the complete Saturn V, but right now we will concentrate on the CSM/LEM mission...


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Necessary models and commentary on progress:

- 3rd stage of the Saturn V (adapter in 4 pieces for opening) -- 80%,
- CSM -- 100%,
- LEM closed legs, antennas down, drogue in hatch -- 100%,
- LEM open legs, antennas up, no more drogue in hatch -- 100%,
- Lunar ground -- test version,
- LEM DS -- 98%,
- Instruments on ground (antennas, flag, etc...) -- 90%,
- LEM AS -- 100%,
- SM -- 90%,
- CM (capsule only) -- 90%,
- CM during reentry (burning) -- 40%
- Burned CM (no flames) -- 40%
- Burned CM with parachutes -- 70%
- CM floating on ocean -- 40%

Author:  Andrea [ Sun, 02-09-07, 17:24 GMT ]
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Chris, a nice summary by images, very welcome.
We lost the way among the zillions of posts and images in the Celestia thread, now all is clear once again. :wink:
Tks.
Bye

Andrea :D

Author:  bh [ Tue, 04-09-07, 8:51 GMT ]
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Stunning shots Chris...

Author:  ElChristou [ Tue, 04-09-07, 11:12 GMT ]
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bh wrote:
Stunning shots Chris...


Hey, they are the ones @ Shatters, nothing new for now!
Tx anyway! :wink:

Author:  fsgregs [ Tue, 11-09-07, 3:49 GMT ]
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Chris ... you guys are killing me! :wink: Good Grief! Pretty soon my wife will divorce me ... I will wind up living in a mountain cabin with my computer, a stale beer and some old mutt dog, because I neglected everything else except Celestia.

Your add-on is so good it needs to be seen by EVERYONE with an interest in space when it is done. With your approval, I for one would be honored to write a complete educational journey focusing solely on the launch and landing on the moon of Apollo 11. My educational activities have been downloaded thousands of times and are in use in lots of schools now around the world, so your work has the potential to be seen by thousands of teenagers and potentially ... college kids all over the world.

I presume the add-on will be controlled by an elaborate script, with things closely timed. Is that your intent? I know virtually nothing about script commands but I offer you my services to help write the narrative to accompany that script, if that would be OK with you!

Regards

Frank

Author:  ElChristou [ Tue, 11-09-07, 12:36 GMT ]
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fsgregs wrote:
...Your add-on is so good it needs to be seen by EVERYONE with an interest in space when it is done. With your approval, I for one would be honored to write a complete educational journey focusing solely on the launch and landing on the moon of Apollo 11. My educational activities have been downloaded thousands of times and are in use in lots of schools now around the world, so your work has the potential to be seen by thousands of teenagers and potentially ... college kids all over the world.


Tx Franck.
I hope we will be able to do the whole reconstruction; if successful, it will be released as whatever addon. Then if you need to build upon new scripts specific to your edu activities, no problemo, we will talk in time about docs and others Readme...

Author:  rthorvald [ Fri, 14-09-07, 14:51 GMT ]
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I just found this. Might be useful when you get to the landing site landscape.

It´s a quicktime 360 degree VR scene of the landing site, built from on-site photos.
http://moonpans.com/vr/apollo11_lm.htm

- rthorvald

Author:  Andrea [ Fri, 14-09-07, 15:07 GMT ]
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rthorvald wrote:
I just found this. Might be useful when you get to the landing site landscape. It´s a quicktime 360 degree VR scene of the landing site, built from on-site photos. http://moonpans.com/vr/apollo11_lm.htm
- rthorvald

Thank you rthorvald, but we already saw it.
Our prolem is not a ground based image of the landing site, but from the space.
As you can see here
http://www.shatters.net/forum/viewtopic ... &start=105
http://www.shatters.net/forum/viewtopic ... &start=165
we have some images, but all of them at least "ugly", just to be kind. :cry:
I hope someone will find something a bit more useful.
Thanks a lot, anyhow. :wink:
Bye

Andrea :D

Author:  ElChristou [ Mon, 24-09-07, 17:58 GMT ]
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This morning I was toying a bit with the positions of the instruments and things come not so bad:

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(...of course the ground here is still 100% fake)

Author:  Selden [ Tue, 25-09-07, 15:42 GMT ]
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Google Moon has been updated to include detailed maps of the Apollo landing sites.

http://www.google.com/moon/

Author:  ElChristou [ Tue, 25-09-07, 16:03 GMT ]
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I think we already have their best one, but Tx anyway for the info!

Author:  ElChristou [ Fri, 28-09-07, 14:18 GMT ]
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Ok, this is not really my part, but as Linuxm@n seems to be busy, I'll inform a bit here about the avancement of the addon.
Both Linuxm@n and Gilles are still working on the ssc; for now we do have a preliminary test for the extraction of the LEM under 1.4.1 with an offset of ~50,5s under 1.5; it works pretty well, and it's a pleasure to see the models in action!
We will need to do several animations of antennas to avoid collisions what will make the sccs a bit more complicated. Also apparently both decide to not use reference frames so seems this is also a point which will add extra complexity to sscs...

A few picts during this test; note than you won't see such config in the final release because the 4 panels of the SLA must be ejected. Also le LEM here is a bit too small...

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Author:  Andrea [ Fri, 28-09-07, 14:46 GMT ]
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ElChristou wrote:
Ok, this is not really my part, but as Linuxm@n seems to be busy, I'll inform a bit here about the avancement of the addon. Both Linuxm@n and Gilles are still working on the ssc; for now we do have a preliminary test for the extraction of the LEM under 1.4.1 with an offset of ~50,5s under 1.5; it works pretty well, and it's a pleasure to see the models in action!...

Chris, any possibility to see a small movie of the LEM extraction?
Just to have something to drem for, pleeeease... 8)
ElChristou wrote:
We will need to do several animations of antennas to avoid collisions what will make the sccs a bit more complicated. Also apparently both decide to not use reference frames so seems this is also a point which will add extra complexity to sscs...

It's growing bigger and better everytime you post some images, my appreciation to Linuxm@n and Gilles too, for their big work on ssc, well done! :wink:
Bye

Andrea :D

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