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 Post subject: Re: Astrophotography...
PostPosted: Sun, 03-03-19, 15:14 GMT 
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A new image: the Coma Cluster.
Taken with the usual setup, stack of 301 images of 100s each (8:21 hours total exposure time).

This is perhaps not the most beautiful astro photo ever taken, but it totally amazes me, how many galaxies are visible in an image taken by an amateur with quite simple equipment!

Fridger, as always I would love to see the celestia.Sci rendering :)
I have no idea, how many of those tiny galaxies are included in the catalogs coming with Celestia?

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 Post subject: Re: Astrophotography...
PostPosted: Sun, 03-03-19, 15:18 GMT 
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And another one: M95, M96, M105, NGC 3371 and NGC 3389

318 x 100s (8:50 total exposure time)


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 Post subject: Re: Astrophotography...
PostPosted: Sun, 03-03-19, 17:53 GMT 
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Hello Steffen,

nice to enjoy more of your deep-sky astro photos after a while. I am VERY impressed how many DSOs you can see! Celestia.Sci is also doing pretty well. Have a look:

Coma cluster:

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M 95, M 105 etc
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The orientations of the galaxies are also pretty good...

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 Post subject: Re: Astrophotography...
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Indeed, the celestia.Sci renderings are very good, as good as they can be just from the limited data the catalogs provide! Even the almost ring-like shape of the outer arms of M96 show pretty good.

The colors also match quite well. I was not so sure about the very strong blue tint of NGC 3389, but your screen shots convince me that it is for real and my color calibration was not too far off.

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 Post subject: Re: Astrophotography...
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The colors also match quite well. I was not so sure about the very strong blue tint of NGC 3389, but your screen shots convince me that it is for real and my color calibration was not too far off.

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Indeed, Steffen, below is your excellent photo-realistic :lol: version of the M 105 environment! The matching with celestia.Sci is really close, given that the colors of my galaxies are a purely theoretical prediction, depending on the B-V color index from the catalogs and the color (filter) profile used during the shot. Since celestia.Sci always refers to the SDSS profile, the remaining rotation in color space can possibly still make some differences...Qualitatively, low values of B-V < 0.5 give blue galaxies and high B-V (near 1) give orange colors. Most elliptics have high B-V > 0.7 and thus are orange.

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 Post subject: Re: Astrophotography...
PostPosted: Wed, 06-03-19, 19:53 GMT 
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Steffen,

are there some chances that you can photographically reach these two interacting fellows (NGC 3786 and NGC 3788)?
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Here is a nice SDSS photo:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:NGC ... S_DR14.png

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 Post subject: Re: Astrophotography...
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t00fri wrote:
are there some chances that you can photographically reach these two interacting fellows (NGC 3786 and NGC 3788)?

Each of these is slightly smaller than blue NGC 3389 above, so it should certainly be possible, but not a lot of detail can be expected.
Could be a good photo anyway, if the field is interesting...?

On the other hand - there are still so many objects on my TODO list, and the weather doesn't play nice with me...


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 Post subject: Re: Astrophotography...
PostPosted: Thu, 07-03-19, 13:47 GMT 
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Steffen,

Quote:
and the weather doesn't play nice with me...


Despite the partially horrible weather, this Astrophotography forum enjoys quite a lively interest
(> 11400 reads and 118 writes!)
not least thanks to your and fenerit's active and interesting contributions.. :clap:

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 Post subject: Re: Astrophotography...
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Well Fridger,

that's no big wonder as this thread is one of the few places where we can actually see good real life star photos and then coming from you the Celestia.Sci renderings.

We normal ones, can't do the renderings as Celestia.Sci is still not released and noone has an idea if it ever will be. You are starting to put "It's done, when it's done" into a new league. Duke Nukem is starting to look worried :twisted:

Apart from that rant: Real nice photos Steffen, keep going!

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 Post subject: Re: Astrophotography...
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Not sure if this is off-topic, but is there any chance we can see lenticular galaxies in Celestia.sci? The original renderings in Celestia look a bit like lumpy purple discs :lol:


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LukeCEL wrote:
... is there any chance we can see lenticular galaxies in Celestia.sci?...


Sure... :D
since Celestia times, I have put a lot of theoretical research into the rendering of galaxies in general, as well as of elliptical (E-type) and lenticular (S0-type) galaxies in particular. I have re-coded the rendering from scratch using modern (VBO) shader techniques. For elliptical and lenticular galaxies this led to photo-realistic displays. Note that for all galaxies the coloration (SDSS color profile) is computer-based (automatic).

Here are two examples:

Head-on view: NGC 524:

On the left, SDSS (Sloan Digital Sky Survey, DR14) photo
on the right, celestia.Sci rendering

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Side-view: NGC 5308:

On the left, Hubble photo
Image credit: NASA / ESA / Hubble / Judy Schmidt, http://www.geckzilla.com.
on the right, celestia.Sci rendering

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 Post subject: Re: Astrophotography...
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Looks very nice, although they do look a bit more orange-colored than the Hubble photos. I wonder why that is?


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LukeCEL wrote:
Looks very nice, although they do look a bit more orange-colored than the Hubble photos. I wonder why that is?


Note: As emphasized above, celestia.Sci refers to the SDSS color profile NOT to the Hubble one! The Hubble color profile differs substantially from that in SDSS which I use as a starting reference in celestia.Sci. To map one profile to the other, one needs to perform certain rotations in color space! These in turn may be determined from the filter hardware used in the respective photographic exposures. Meaning: Color is not an absolute concept in astro-photography! It's all very analogous to the so-called "color management" in computing (*.icc files applied to monitor, printer etc.).

In my first example (head-on view of NGC 524) I have therefore used an SDSS photo for comparison, which matches pretty well the celestia.Sci color. That's how it should be!

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 Post subject: Re: Astrophotography...
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Ah, I see. The renderings do look very close to the SDSS pictures :)


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 Post subject: Re: Astrophotography...
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There's not a lot of activity here lately, and still no .Sci release to play with ;)
so I spent my time with some astro photography again.

Meanwhile I've got a simple autoguiding setup running. That means that finally I can do really long exposures and the recorded star image is no longer limited by the tracking error but by focussing and sky quality (seeing, light pollution).

My first two test objects with the new setup are classical imaging targets for the summer:
M27 - the Dumbbell Nebula (the improvement over my last attempt that can be found in page 1 of this thread is rather obvious)
and NGC6888 - the Crescend Nebula.
Especially the latter one was rather difficult with my camera, as it isn't astro-modified and almost blind for the red H-alpha spectral line.

I know that these nebula are not very much relevant for Celestia yet - next targets will be galaxies again ;)

Steffen


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