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On the Ran project
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Selden
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Upstate NY, USA, Mon, 12-11-07, 12:57 GMT:
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Runar,
Evidently you are using a Mac-specific version of Zip which is hiding things from you.
Here's the output on my PC using the version of unzip which comes with Cygwin:
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$ unzip -l th_island_one.zip
Archive: th_island_one.zip
Length Date Time Name
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0 11-09-07 15:46 th_island_one/
0 11-09-07 04:42 th_island_one/models/
535944 09-11-07 18:17 th_island_one/models/th_islandcitylight.cmod
0 11-09-07 04:47 th_island_one/textures/
0 11-09-07 04:47 th_island_one/textures/medres/
2657767 09-11-07 18:30 th_island_one/models/th_islandcity.cmod
34400 06-21-07 01:00 th_island_one/models/th_islandhablight.cmod
25974 06-21-07 01:02 th_island_one/models/th_islandrotlight.cmod
32167 06-21-07 01:02 th_island_one/models/th_islandrotlight2.cmod
5105882 06-21-07 01:03 th_island_one/models/th_islandhab.cmod
675707 06-21-07 01:00 th_island_one/models/th_islandstatlight.cmod
814 05-30-07 13:32 th_island_one/models/th_placeholder.cmod
1961 11-09-07 04:40 th_island_one/ReadMe.txt
40165 07-24-06 00:38 th_island_one/textures/medres/th_band.png
93331 07-24-06 00:38 th_island_one/textures/medres/._th_band.png
12565581 06-21-07 13:07 th_island_one/models/th_islandstat.cmod
453367 06-17-07 21:33 th_island_one/textures/medres/th_bernalhull.png
62614 07-23-06 19:07 th_island_one/textures/medres/th_checkers.png
102686 06-17-07 21:33 th_island_one/textures/medres/._th_bernalhull.png
37308 06-19-07 21:30 th_island_one/textures/medres/th_cobblestone.png
88372 07-23-06 19:07 th_island_one/textures/medres/._th_checkers.png
119765 08-21-06 15:09 th_island_one/textures/medres/th_corroded_small.png
98179 06-19-07 21:30 th_island_one/textures/medres/._th_cobblestone.png
136660 11-09-07 04:45 th_island_one/textures/medres/th_diagram.png
109709 08-21-06 15:09 th_island_one/textures/medres/._th_corroded_small.p
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71667 11-09-07 04:45 th_island_one/textures/medres/._th_diagram.png
89865 11-09-06 17:57 th_island_one/textures/medres/._th_fields.png
107288 07-28-06 17:39 th_island_one/textures/medres/th_glass.png
99744 07-28-06 17:39 th_island_one/textures/medres/._th_glass.png
113219 07-28-06 17:16 th_island_one/textures/medres/th_goldwood.png
109529 07-28-06 17:16 th_island_one/textures/medres/._th_goldwood.png
38069 07-24-06 00:17 th_island_one/textures/medres/th_grille.png
103248 07-24-06 00:17 th_island_one/textures/medres/._th_grille.png
21385 07-24-06 00:29 th_island_one/textures/medres/th_grille3.png
1560175 11-09-06 17:57 th_island_one/textures/medres/th_fields.png
74354 07-24-06 00:29 th_island_one/textures/medres/._th_grille3.png
47833 12-20-06 23:51 th_island_one/textures/medres/th_grille4.png
95928 12-20-06 23:51 th_island_one/textures/medres/._th_grille4.png
95232 01-18-07 16:04 th_island_one/textures/medres/._th_hull.png
84229 01-20-07 00:09 th_island_one/textures/medres/th_hull_dirty.png
422485 01-18-07 16:04 th_island_one/textures/medres/th_hull.png
96869 01-20-07 00:09 th_island_one/textures/medres/._th_hull_dirty.png
81795 11-23-06 04:18 th_island_one/textures/medres/._th_island2.png
494873 11-23-06 04:18 th_island_one/textures/medres/th_island2.png
79004 06-21-07 00:03 th_island_one/textures/medres/._th_mirror.png
418658 06-21-07 00:03 th_island_one/textures/medres/th_mirror.png
97281 06-04-07 23:14 th_island_one/textures/medres/th_mythtower.png
98289 06-04-07 23:14 th_island_one/textures/medres/._th_mythtower.png
153874 06-14-06 02:28 th_island_one/textures/medres/._th_orion_dirt02.png
108473 07-22-06 14:33 th_island_one/textures/medres/th_orionwall.png
113419 07-22-06 14:33 th_island_one/textures/medres/._th_orionwall.png
578146 06-14-06 02:28 th_island_one/textures/medres/th_orion_dirt02.png
100112 06-20-07 17:46 th_island_one/textures/medres/th_pic_gim.png
2834 05-30-07 13:29 th_island_one/textures/medres/th_placeholder.png
68199 06-20-07 17:46 th_island_one/textures/medres/._th_pic_gim.png
48911 05-30-07 13:29 th_island_one/textures/medres/._th_placeholder.png
101375 11-09-07 04:47 th_island_one/textures/medres/th_planets.png
66025 11-09-07 04:47 th_island_one/textures/medres/._th_planets.png
39808 08-21-06 14:44 th_island_one/textures/medres/th_wall_dirty.png
2977 11-09-07 15:46 th_island_one/th_islandone.ssc
97889 08-21-06 14:44 th_island_one/textures/medres/._th_wall_dirty.png
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28961414 61 files
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dirkpitt
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Tokyo, Japan, Mon, 12-11-07, 12:59 GMT:
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As Selden points out, If you unzip or view it on a Mac, yes the resource forks are being hidden transparently by the system. Windows doesn't however translate ._ files into resource forks on the fly, hence the proliferation of hidden files..
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| Quote: | | Evidently you are using a Mac-specific version of Zip which is hiding things from you. |
I use DropStuff.
But as you wrote this, i did look at the unzipped directory via the terminal, and it simply does not contain more than that single invisible file, the .DS_store. If i can see that one, i should see any others, too...
Are you sure the extras are not generated by your unzip utility?
They seem to be clones of the files that _should_ be there.
- rthorvald
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Selden
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Upstate NY, USA, Mon, 12-11-07, 13:17 GMT:
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Runar,
Sorry, they are not being created by my system. You can verify that the size of the zip archive is larger than it "should" be by adding up the sizes of the individual compressed files. I don't know to what extremes MacOS goes to make it seem that the resource forks are part of the same file, though. Mac Zip programs probably conflate the two types of files during presentation so that you'll see the individual sizes reported as the sum of the two.
You might try to get access to a Unix system to see what its version of Zip reports. Solaris running on the Sun proprietary hardware architecture would be one type of "neutral observer", for example. Or even VAX/VMS, although HP is working hard to eliminate it...
p.s. I just realized that you said that you looked at the restored directory. That's too late: MacOS has already sequestered the resource forks. You have to list the actual contents of the zip file.
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| Quote: | | p.s. I just realized that you said that you looked at the restored directory. That's too late: MacOS has already sequestered the resource forks. You have to list the actual contents of the zip file. |
Ok, thanks.
Learning something new every day... Will fix for the final version.
- rthorvald
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Wallpapers from Ran III:
I have made a series of wallpapers based on the Ran III Space Elevator. The package contains 6 different 1600x1200 PNG files depicting the Needle from various perspectives...
Additionally, some images that did not go into this package is available in our "wallpaper special" thread.
More info and download links here:
http://www.celestialmatters.org/?page_id=54
- rthorvald
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ElChristou
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A Frenchie in Paraguay (South America), Fri, 30-11-07, 21:33 GMT:
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Very nice shot! mysterious and poetic ambience... I love that! 
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| ElChristou wrote: | | Very nice shot! mysterious and poetic ambience... I love that! |
Thanks. That one is both cropped and downscaled, though. The full file is in the package.
- rthorvald
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Just a note about the prereleases:
I am removing them, and as of today they will no longer be available as separate
downloads since the Ran project will be released shortly.
- rthorvald
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From what I have seen is very, VERY nice Runar. I have problems running the scripts, but I have no problems viewing the details of the worlds, moons, places, etc...
You aren't getting paid enough my friend. Hmm... Come to think of it, none of us are... 
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